Unquantifiable thought (distinction between mind and thought)
- Moveen
- Apr 4
- 2 min read
Updated: 5 days ago
A lot of the ideas about consciousness suggest that consciousness is an unquantifiable thing. A strong emergence. If this is the case, there is a question as to why our thoughts are quantifiable. Everything we think about has well-defined boundaries, explaining why and how a thought makes sense exactly. What things are within said thought and what things are not.
So why are all our actions, our thoughts, and our feelings (to a more vague limit but a limit nonetheless) quantifiable? One explanation, coming from a non-physicalistic point of view, is because we need to make sense of reality. Perhaps thought wasn't quantifiable to begin with, but as we grew and learned about things and became part of the reality, our unquantifiable thoughts took shape and became sensible in reality.
The way then to have unquantifiable thought is to be not associated with a quantifiable reality. Perhaps reducing brain activity as far as we can might be as far from reality as we can go. Without actually dying.
In a physicalist point of view, perhaps reality it self isn't quantifiable, or rather, perhaps the reason why reality works the way it doesn't isn't a quantifiable answer. Meaning we know why consciousness is quantifiable, and yet we do not know why the underlying reason for reality is quantifiable. Perhaps in that case, the end of reality is what leads to unquantifiableness.
If this is the case, the underlying principle is that reducing the number of quantifiable things lead to an unquantifiable state. Whether it be reducing mental activity or reducing aspects of reality.
UNLESS, though all part of the same consciousness, mind, thought, anr qualia are separate completely, giving the ability for the mind to exist as unquantifiable and letting thoughts and qualia be quantifiable. Otherwise, we would have a thought, then quantify it, then quantify the experience of said thought, and quantify the experience of the experience of said thought, and quantify the experience of the the experience of the experience of said thought, and so on. which make sense since I have had such spirals often. Which then seems like the mind to me. but the distinctions are still there within each segment of that spiral and the question again is how? does an unquantifiable mind have such distinctions? Perhaps we know how the quantification of it works, that being through infinity (the infinite spiral), but it doesn't explain how an unquantifiable mind can make such distinctions in the first place.
So the problem is how can something that is beyond everything be something. Something that is infinite being limited down to something with limits seems incomprehensible. and by these limits I mean are things like boundaries of a thought. The distinction of each one. Why is something so limitless so limited? unless they are separate.
But there is another problem, why would unquantifiableness make sense? By definition, it is nothing. what is so special about nothing that we pursue it and actively try to understand it? Questions to think about
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